Question:
Will British even be able to buy their own home?
B.o.B
2007-07-20 09:44:48 UTC
"Halifax economist Tim Crawford said London breaching the inheritance tax threshold, recent rises had pushed average prices for South East above the £250,000 watermark for 3% stamp duty."

"The typical homebuyer in London and the South East, in particular, faces a rising tax burden due to the government's continuing failure to increase the inheritance tax and stamp duty thresholds in line with house price inflation," he said.

EU June Inflation rate 2.1%
UK= 2.5% (CPI same)
Average London house £313,122.
National median wage £447 per week (gross F/Ttime)
House prices will rise 10%+ in 2007
"...Negative real earnings growth so far this year - annual average earnings growth, at 4.0%, was well below retail price inflation of 4.5% in April + rising food prices reducing income for mortgage. Annual food price inflation reached 6.0% in April, highest in 6 years."

HPI to reach 6 per cent, higher than its original prediction of 4 per cent in England, 16%+ in Scotland.
GROSS mortgage lending reached a new record of £34.2 billion in June

Truly a well managed economy? Anyone else smell a rat re increase in revenue from stamp duties?
The next question is- where the bloody hell is all that revenue going?
Sixteen answers:
203
2007-07-20 09:51:57 UTC
Soloution: Choose to live somewhere else other than the south east of England.



Houses can be bought for half that £250,000 average in many decent towns up and down the country.



Sorry Choclover, I think you need to check the property pages a little more closely, there are bucket fulls houses to be had for less than £150,000 here in the north west and I'm not talking about dumps either.
Soup Dragon
2007-07-25 02:14:50 UTC
We are going backwards instead of forwards. We have become a two tiered society again with the haves and the have nots. Only affluent people will be able to afford property which They will rent out at over inflated prices to the poorer section of society. How and why did house prices rise so rapidly anyway? I think the best way around this situation is for families to buy together with perhaps one family living upstairs and the other downstairs and extending the property as the family grows.Then the mortgage, as all names would be one the document, would be more affordable and it would just be passed down thus avoiding inheritance tax. and of course you'd all have life insurance ect to cover any further eventualities. Just a thought.
segunitb1
2007-07-20 09:59:07 UTC
I live in West Yorkshire, I live on a clean and quiet quiet cul de sac. The House was built 8 years ago is a 3 bedroom semi with gardens front and rear, Drive big enough for 3 cars. Easy access to M62 and M1.



Current valuation £165,000



Why would anyone want to live in the South of England where 250,000 probably only buys a 1 bedroom flat!!!!!



House prices are ridiculous and the interest rate hikes are killing everyone. It isn't just first time buyers that are struggling. Families needing to upgrade in size can't afford to move either.
2007-07-20 10:21:59 UTC
No its impossible for first time buyers. And its not just buying thats hard, its keeping the damned thing.



We live in Wales and had to move away from family and friends in Cardiff/Newport to a godforsaken ex mining village that most people are trying to get OUT of in order to buy our first house (the only way we could find anything under £100,000) and now we're probably going to have to sell it as we can't afford the mortgage what with interest rates going up all the time. We'll be renting again by this time next year.



We can't even get afforable council or social housing as they're all going to the bloody asylum seekers!!! So some "entreprenurial" buy to let landlord (read: greedy sod) will make a killing off us.



Steve M - why are we so obsessed with buying? Rent is dead money. £600+ pcm to some greedy landlord who sees you as a cash cow and can treat you like dirt, invade your privacy, refuse to allow you to keep pets, refuse to accept housing benefit, is never there when your roof ias leaking or your boiler blows up (mine was in Pakistan when our heating failed in the middle of December and we spent 2 weeks with no heating or hot water) and can then tell you to move out to move his rellies in!!!



Private rent is joke and a rip off. Only the scummy landlord benefits. Council and Social Housing is a viable alternative but impossible to get as its all being given to asylum seekers.
trish
2007-07-20 10:09:14 UTC
I'm afraid that the answer is no. Well, not if you want to eat! Its a shame that things have come to this and its not just London its all over the country.



I think something very underhand is going on and I have been asking that same question, Where is the revenue going? Probably to the same place as all the benefits we get from immigration!
ChocLover
2007-07-20 09:50:34 UTC
I will never be able to afford to buy a house even in a hundred years. It would take me over 10 years to earn £250,000. I think this country stinks - take care of the rich and only look after other country's poor people.





Additional - 203 it is not just the South East of England, it's the whole country
A Nonny Mouse
2007-07-20 10:04:39 UTC
Why are we so obsessed about owning our own home in this country? Look at the rest of Europe - Italy and Spain particularly and also Japan in the Far East. These places encourage renting and this is exactly what a lot of people do without any "stigma" that we seem to attach to renters in this country. I was lucky - I got on the property ladder before the serious price boom (and, no I'm not sitting on a fortune - I live in Yorkshire in a terraced house) but if I was just starting out today I would have no problem with renting.
2007-07-25 03:18:24 UTC
£250,000 ? you wouldnt get a cardboard box for that where i live (south east). Actually its not really that bad and no matter how expensive you have to go for it - buy a slightly larger house than you would, waitfor house prices to increase, sell up and downsize. I just hope for my life that house prices dont drop or we are screwed.....
freedom first
2007-07-20 09:56:52 UTC
It sounds incredible to me that their proposed solution to this inflation /wage devaluation is to increase taxes. Unfortunately, that type of thinking has crossed the pond and we hear more about it every day in the U.S.



Home ownership % is about the same in UK and US, but we're headed up and it looks like you're headed down.



Don't they realize yet that socialism is a means by which the upper class can oppress the middle so as to win favor from the poor? Its a pure anti-revolutionary system, contradictory to what human history shows to produce progress.
floppity
2007-07-20 09:57:58 UTC
I know, I live in the S.East... my plan is to buy in France and then wait for the house market flump over here - what goes up must come down!
2007-07-26 10:30:44 UTC
Mass immigration has pushed up the cost of housing a lot, if you are not in denial and want to read about it see this link
2016-10-22 08:12:20 UTC
properly it relies upon on the place you reside. There are nevertheless areas of the U. S. (and international) the place its incredibly elementary to purchase your guy or woman. (fairly united states/mountain areas) Im making plans to purchase in the mountains quickly. incredibly elementary to get carry of an old lot to construct on! or perhaps an older living (like old/shabby)
JAM
2007-07-20 09:54:39 UTC
im only 21 and i make bout £1600 a month

and i really want to get in to the property ladder with my mate we can get a 100,000 mortage but as im sure ur aware thats pants really.

if ur not 'of ethnic backgrounds 'then uv got no chance of gettin a good house.
Veritas
2007-07-20 14:18:38 UTC
Things started to go wrong with the housing market in 1987, when the then Chancellor of the Exchequer, Nigel Lawson, removed exchange controls, allowing foreign money to flow in/out of Britain without Bank of England approval.



Lawson shouldn't be blamed for this, because it had to be done for a variety of reasons. However, it did allow foreign banks to enter our mortgage market, massively increasing the amount of money entering the market. This created huge competition between the banks and the Building Societies to lend money to house buyers, and they soon started to increase the traditional lending multiples which had hitherto stood at about two and a half times salary. In the early eighties, only the Building Societies tended to provide mortgage funds. British banks entered this market a little later.



There were two main reasons why house prices in the past were kept in check. These were, salary lending multiples were rigidly enforced and, only depositers money could be loaned out, so this set a limit on the amount of money available. Every five years or so, there would be a step increase in house prices to catch up with inflation, which was generally running quite high and would be reflected in higher wages and salaries. Interest rates, at the time, weren't a particularly significant check on house prices.



After the late nineteen eighties boom had fizzled out, largely because people had been able to borrow far too much, rising interest rates started to become a significant factor.



Another significant change then took place in the housing market, as people started to see their homes as investments rather than places to live. At this time, the lenders ceased having to rely on depositers money, they now started to borrow on the money market itself, consequently, there was an almost unlimited amount of money, particularly from the Far East, to fuel the mortgage market. One lender borrows 75% of their funds on the money market.



From roughly 1997, the time New Labour came to power, interest rates started to move toward a forty five year low. Now, over their tenure of office, given that house prices were already well valued and, most importantly, wage and salary inflation was muted, we have still witnessed a huge x3 increase in house prices. Today, values are, ludicrous.



The MPC (supposedly independent of Government) during this period, have pursued a low interest rate policy, and they, together with the Government have watched by as house prices hit the roof. Lets not forget that Gordon Brown vets each person appointed to the MPC committee, he also sets the inflation measure that the MPC has to target. It was a newly created measure, which leaves out many key prices, and is much lower than the RPI. It was also no part of the MPC remit to target house price inflation. They were required to focus on price stability and support Government policy. Interesting that they have now, belatedly, started to focus on house prices. After the damage has been done, that is.



Now, it doesn't take a genius to realise that massive house price inflation and very low interest rates, were bound to create a wealth effect, massive borrowing against house price equity and on credit cards. Hey presto, an instant booming economy, and the Government looks good, and gets re-elected, twice. A similar thing happened in the USA and other countries, such as Australia. The wealth creating Far East had lots of money spare, even after funding the USA fiscal deficits. As the questioner points out, Gordon Brown, in addition to appearing to benefit from the spending boom, makes a massive tax grab from stamp duty and inheritance tax. It appears to be all win.



The Government have also been fortunate with inflation, because they have enjoyed cheap products from the Far East, which partly offset the effects of a spending binge. They have always received plaudits for their control of inflation, however, all that has happened is that it has moved elsewhere, namely, house prices and public sector expenditure, which hits us in the form of taxation.



Where are we now?. Houses grossly over-valued, (a significant correction would be a good thing for the medium to long term) massive credit card debt, and the same in the US. It was inevitable that, eventually, massive house price increases would feed through to inflation, which is where we are at right now, waiting for the inevitable negative effects to feed through. Is that one of the reasons they can't wait to pack us off to the EU?



The Government have wasted much of the additional tax take resulting from a booming economy by, for example, pumping it into an unreconstructed NHS, and by huge expansion of the Public Sector. (buying votes, in other words)



I still believe that the MPC are terrified of raising rates, because it might cause a house price slump. Lets remember, that the vast majority of house owners are sitting on a significant capital profit. What about young people who can't get on the housing ladder, and people who have to rely on fixed incomes having had to suffer years of low interest rates. The MPC have helped create a nation of borrowers and, as some of them seem to want to, hold interest rates, they will encourage even more irresponsible borrowing. They have to kill off the housing market and frighten people away from silly borrowing, even if they don't expect inflation to take off. They have helped create this mess.



Incidentally, I take reports about house price inflation from the lending agencies, and other vested interests, with a huge pinch of salt.
2007-07-20 09:55:14 UTC
You dont have to live in the south east
Butterscotch
2007-07-21 02:29:04 UTC
Look out Bulgaria here we come. lol :-)


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