Question:
Why should Israel be allowed to have a state?
Kevin
2009-08-31 16:53:20 UTC
So I'm trying to get a handle on this whole Israel/Palestinian thing and I just don't get it.

As I understand it, after WII, the jews all decided to go back to their biblical homeland, which was located in Palestine. Then the Allies decided they could form a country and they took part of Palestine and called it Israel.

Now I really don't care one way or the other about it, but to me, it seems like the Palestinians have every right in the world to be pissed off here. Suppose someone came in and took half of the US and said it was now another country? I would be pissed too! I mean really. If they wanted to immigrate to Palestine, that's fine, but to do it on the claim of a thousand year old book? Where does realism come into play here?

Again, I'm not taking sides here. I'm not Jewish or Palestinian and I grew up about as far from this conflict as can be, so will someone please explain it to me?
Eight answers:
anonymous
2009-08-31 18:06:57 UTC
You need to read more about the creation of the state of Israel.



See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel



In part:



The modern state of Israel has its historical and religious roots in the Biblical Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism since ancient times, and the heartland of the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah.[
Wage Peace
2009-09-01 00:17:38 UTC
Look around you. Every land has been fought over in our world. North America used to consist of Indians and Mayans.



Here is all you need to know. Israel and jews have always existed and primarily came from one spot. The problem is religious. Palestinians have muslims and christians as part of their ethnic groups. People don't embrace peace in any religion. All religions have been corrupted with land possession and violence.



So, do you want to give the united states back to the indigenous people (AKA Indians)?





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rambo
2009-09-01 00:01:15 UTC
Read the Bible!



God gave the promised land to Israel.



The Israleites are God's chosen people.



You don't want to be fighting Israel on the last day of the World.



Even today Israel has won wars in Bibical fashion. Read about the Six Day War.



Israel is America's best ally.



Israel Scientist have provided the United States with many High Tech military weapons.



Semper Fi
?
2009-08-31 23:58:07 UTC
There has never been a state of Palestine. The Palestinians, historically, are nomad wanderers.
anonymous
2009-08-31 23:58:35 UTC
well considering that palestine was the ruler of england and they decided that they would let them have their own country is what gives them the right
molkey
2009-08-31 23:59:50 UTC
It sure sounds like you are to me. You sound like Obama, Through Israel under the bus, why don't you.
anonymous
2009-08-31 23:59:37 UTC
yes the jews have no rights at all.
NATURE'S CORNER
2009-09-03 06:43:51 UTC
Problem is misinterpretation of God's promise(residency, NOT, ownership) and the British Mandate(political, NOT, land borders-read closely-Arab palestine was to remain one country.Biblically(ishmael before Isaac), scientifically(Arab J1 marker in the region for 40,000 years-millenia BEFORE the Jews) , and, by jewish leader's admission, the Arabs were in the Arabian, NOT, Jewish Peninsula(Israel a part of)/ Canaan/ God's promised land FIRST, and have always been the MAJORITY. Arabs own almost ALL of the promised land except for non Arab Iran, and, until 1948, Israel. For Israel to get all of God's promised land, Israel would have to kill ALL the Arabs and the non Arab Iranians(Israel working on that one) and steal ALL their land.NO WHERE in the Bible does God, nor, even the British, tell the Jews/Israel to kill Arabs and steal their land-NO WHERE-they must stop laying the blame on God and the British.



The Assyrians , a Semitic people, neither Arab, nor Jew, are the FIRST identified settlers of Palestine since about 5000 B.C.. Before this, the first known settlements was by unknown peoples as far back as 9000 B.C.



According to Israel, they are not at war with the Palestinians, but with the Hamas, so what reason do they have to steal Palestinian land and kill Palestinians to do it-pure blood lust, nothing more.



She is brought to her knees for her indiscretions(this can ONLY be the Palestinian situation) Nation up on nation shall rise up against her-sound familiar-even the US, her only supporter is changing direcection. God intervenes and Israel is turned from her wicked ways. A NEW Jerusalem, possibly shared, instead of divided as is now, arises.This is in the Bible.



The truth is that Jews (not Israel) bought about 7% of the land before 1948. Most of the rest was owned by Palestinians as documented by the British Mandate.The remaining land was STOLEN from the Palestinians AS DOCUMENTED BY THE BRITISH:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Man...



The Arabs of Canaan are the Arabs of Palestine. They were there AT LEAST EQUALLY as long as the Jews/Israelis, but they had a constant presence and a defined land. The Jews were nomadic and had NO land until what was taken from the Palestinians in 1948. Both Jews and Arabs have the same father, Abraham, whom although Semitic, possibly Hebrew, was not considered Jewish. Abraham, his parents, and his ancestry is from Babylon, which is, in fact, INSIDE the Arabian Peninsula, the origin of the Arab peoples.So he may very well have been Arab.



Palestine is a name which has been widely used since Roman times to refer to the region that includes contemporary Israel and the Palestinian territories, parts of Jordan, and parts of Lebanon and Syria. In its narrow meaning, it refers to the area within the boundaries of the former British Mandate of Palestine (1920-1948) west of the Jordan River.



Palestine can also refer to the Proposed Palestinian State.



The name and the borders of Palestine have varied throughout history, though Palestine has certain natural boundaries that justify its historical individuality. Other terms that have been used to refer to all or part of this area include Arabistan, Canaan, Greater Israel, Greater Syria, the Holy Land, Iudaea Province, Israel, "Israel HaShlema", Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Jerusalem, Land of Israel, Levant, Retenu (Ancient Egyptian), Southern Syria, and Syria Palestina.



Early archeological textual reference to the territory of Palestine is found in the Merneptah Stele, dated c. 1200 BCE, containing a recount of Egyptian king Merneptah's victories in the land of Canaan, mentioning place-names such as Gezer, Ashkelon and Yanoam, along with Israel, which is mentioned using a hieroglyphic determinative that indicates a nomad people, rather than a state.



***The promise that is the basis of the term "promised land" is contained in Genesis 15:18-21 of the Hebrew Bible and God CLEARLY states whom the land belongs to:



"On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abraham and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites." Of all these people, only the Palestinians whom are considered Canaanites, are still around. Except for Iran and Israel, Arabs own all of what was Canaan.***



The verse is said to describe what are known as "Borders of the Land" (Gevulot Ha-aretz). In Jewish tradition these borders define the maximum extent of the land promised to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac(2nd born-the Jewish lineage and Ishmael the 1st born and the Arab lineage) and grandson Jacob.Even according to Hebrew customs, the oldest son, which is Ishmael, is entitled to the father's inheritance, but because Sarah despised Ishmael, she wanted Isaac to get the inheritance and had Abraham exhile Ishmael. Neither is Ishmael illegitimate but the legal son of his SECOND wife Hagar-Genesis 16: "And Sarah Abraham's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abraham had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abraham to be his WIFE(my emphasis).By Hebrew tradition, when one or the other spouse can not perform their duties, the remaining spouse can the partner's closest relative/ friend to legally fulfill those duties-in this case Hagar.



"On that day Yahweh made a covenant with Abraham, saying, "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates. (Genesis15:18)"Ishamael was Abraham's FIRST born.The promise is made to Abraham and the descendants of his son Ishmael(According to Hebrew law, the first born gets ALL the inheritance), Isaac, and Isaac's son Jacob, Abraham's grandson as they are all given promise that their descendants will be given a territory from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates river.No where does it say the Israelis/Jews OWNED the land, nor were they to take it from, and, kill the Palestinians. The Israelis/Jews were given a land ONLY to reside in as many Jews already had among the Palestinians.



*According to Alexander Scholch, GERMAN JEW AND PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN, the population of Palestine in 1850 had about 350,000 inhabitants, 30% of whom lived in 13 towns; roughly 85% were Muslims(Arabs), 11% were Christians and 4% Jews.Scholch, 1985, p. 503.



Palestinian Demographics Link up to 1948

http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm



Even according to Hebrew law, Ishmael, not Isaac, was entitled to Abraham's inheritance.



Sarah, a mere mortal, somehow hoodwinked God and God fell for it. The Arabs were and are the MAJORITY there. The Jews, whom made up less than 5% of the population lived peacefully among their Arab hosts until the British Mandate of 1922 when FOREIGN(MOSTLY ILLEGAL-exceeding quotas set by the British) Jews with little or NO Middle East ties immigrated to Arab Palestine-swelling the population to 35%.The Arab armies(no Jews participated) had just thrown off the Ottoman Empire. The UN assigned Britain to occupy Arab Palestine(at least 90% of the population,6% other, less than 5% Jews).When the Jews became 35% of the population, they became belligerent forming murderous Jewish terrorist groups, the Stern Gang and Irgun(now democratically elected Likud-exact counter part of the Arab Hamas). They demanded a homeland carved out of ARAB Palestine and attacked and killed their Arab hosts.The British, under the British Mandate set up POLITICAL, NOT, LAND borders for Arabs and Jews-Arab Palestine was to remain ONE, COUNTRY,ONE LAND-read it closely.This ended with the Jewish stealing more land through murder of the Palestinians than the POLITICAL borders and than the UN agreed to. The UN did not ratify this until AFTER Israel formed in 1948.



In summary of core FACTS: Arabs first and, MAJORITY, Biblically, and, scientifically, Jews second, Arabs OWNED Palestine, Jews did not, Jews STARTED the killings and land thefts under misinterpetation of God's promise,and, the British Mandate(political, NOT, land borders).ISRAEL IS VERY WRONG.


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