Question:
Why is a disputed event being taught in British history lessons?
Hideous Sun Demon
2008-08-31 01:38:39 UTC
Battle of Hastings? 1066, documented. Absolutely NO-ONE ever came out of the woodwork to dispute that it happened. Similarly lots of other events, at home and worldwide. Such stuff should be taught, as HISTORY.
But, what's this with the "Holocaust"? I never learned about it in school. I never HEARD about it until recently. How come it suddenly goes into the curriculum, all on its own, as some kind of special event? Like everyone else killed in the World War II is only worth a cursory mention. I can perhaps understand it going into ISRAELI curriculums...but this is BRITAIN. Further--with regard to it, some people DO dispute it happened--so what the hell is it doing being taught to British kids? If I had kids in school I'd be VERY concerned about it. As it is, I'm merely disturbed.
25 answers:
Angry man
2008-08-31 01:58:16 UTC
It is another pathetic "Politically Correct" crap, I do believe it happened, I have seen a camp in Poland, but it is not british history and as you said there were others that died trying to stop the war. I believe there were up to 70.000.000 people who died in the second world war, so it is about time we all stopped shouting about the 5 or so million just because they were jews. Note there were 3 million Russian MEN killed alone and you won't learn about them in a British school.
Beastie
2008-08-31 05:44:52 UTC
Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it didn't happen.



It's not the same as Palestinians being bulldozed or blown up by Israeli troops, because while I don't agree with it is not even remotely comparable to taking millions of people (not just Jews either. Gypsies. Homosexuals. People termed 'mentally deficient') and murdering them on an industrial scale.

It is not being remembered because it is particularly relevant to the UK, it's being remembered because it is the best modern example of man's utter inhumanity to his fellow man. And the war, including the Holocaust, when I was in school, wasn't taught at all until third year when modern History came into it.



Of course Jews were killed in combat, or have you never heard about the Warsaw Uprising? Or Jews who escaped fighting for the British Army?



The fact that there are those who deny it happened is completely irrelevant. There is copious evidence to prove that it did. The Nazi organisation kept meticulous records. And they didn't manage to destroy all the incriminating evidence in the aftermath.

I'd suggest that no one denys the truth of the Battle of Hastings is because it was a thousand years ago and it is hard to deny it happened when suddenly the King was called William.
reardwen
2008-08-31 01:53:30 UTC
I lived in Germany not very long after the war. We had a German housekeeper, who said that everyone knew what was going on - you could smell it! There was also a dark warning to children to behave, or they would go 'up the chimney'. It was the sort of knowledge that you had to either fight against (and be killed yourself) or not even think about it ... pretend it wasn't going on.



The Germans who operated these camps had leave, and visited their families. Some even had themselves photographed with the bodies. Yes, they knew.



Germany, in case you didn't know, is just across the North Sea, and a very close ethnic neighbour, thanks to the Saxons etc. Our royal families were the same family to cousin level; and in case you didn't know, we fought a ware against them.



Watch The Great Escape sometime. It's a true story, and a small cameo of what went on.



You might also know that Jersey and Guernsey were occupied by the Germans during the war, and atrocities occured there too. Visit the Underground Hospital in Jersey - hewn out of solid rock by slave labour. Visit the sea cliff where those no longer needed for work were thrown off.



Get real! Holocausts will keep happening if people like you keep believing David Icke et al.
ellie_likes_bananas
2008-08-31 02:10:30 UTC
The Holocaust had its anniversary this year, the holocaust was an example of genocide happening in the world today. Because of the current situation in Dafur, Sudan, the government would like children to understand the cruelty and problems we face in our lives. As we our the future (I am 14) then we need to be made aware of whats right and whats wrong. If you have any doubt as to if the holocaust is good or bad then take a look at some of the following links, i worn you some of the pictures are graphic:



http://www.children.nazis.dk/

http://www.canaris.dk/Holocaust/Album1.htm

http://www.deathcamps.info/Auschwitz/Album1.htm

http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums5/gif_AA.htm



If you need anymore convincing proof that the holocaust needs to remembered so that we can avoid another one then please do not hesitate to email me, I found it compelling to learn about this...what one man did to so many different people because they weren't able to be apart of his one superior race (Aryan). This is an important part of my school's history curriculum and I am glad that people my age all over Britain can become aware of a nightmare that was so well organised it should never have been discovered.



Watch this: http://www.aegistrust.org/Films/tomorrow_is_too_late.htm

This is happening NOW. We must stop it, now tell me that the holocaust didn't happen.
John G
2008-08-31 02:03:19 UTC
You should be disturbed if it was not taught in all European schools. My father had the terrible experience at the end of the 1939-1945 war of being among the first few who entered Belsen Camp. He was a War Correspondent and took many photographs on that day. People would like to pretend it didn't happen but I can assure you that it did and was a clear result of the Nazi regime whose deeds were recorded by themselves. Nobody in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter, ever wants to see a totalitarian regime like that again which is why education is so important. No-one really knows the exact number of Jews, Gypsies, Religious, Political prisoners who were systematically killed but it is over six million which is terrible in any age. History IS important. Someone once said, 'If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.'

I don't know how old you are but I have lived long enough to understand that not all goes into the history books but the things that do are important for us to get a grasp on the nature of humanity and its progress, or lack of it, through the ages.
One life.
2008-08-31 01:45:51 UTC
I would think that it deserves a special place in history, I am not jewish but this was not just a crime against jews but a crime against the whole of Mankind. The only people who dispute it are the same kind of people who sit by and watch evil happen and do nothing, to deny it is as bad as participating in it. We must remember ALL evil events that happen in the world, God forbid any of them should be forgotten and we just carry on in ignorance!!!



One thing that is a really disgusting fact is that a lot of countries gave shelter and secret identities to doctors and scientists from Nazi Germany in return for data that they considered to be of value about among other things human endurance when being starved etc, we have had war criminals from Germany living in our midst pretending to be Swiss etc with the full knowledge of our government.



A lot of Nazis were also sheltered because they had vast fortunes of looted gold and artifacts, also many countries imported second hand pairs of glasses etc from Nazi Germany during the war, do you think that they did not have a clue what was happening?



Of course this should be taught in schools, it could always happen again and on smaller scales still does.



IF IT DID NOT HAPPEN IT'S ONE HELL OF A CONSPIRACY!!!
Huh?
2008-08-31 07:16:49 UTC
The Holocaust is taught because it's a uniquely evil event in European history, both in scale and the manner of its execution. No-one except idiots or neo-Nazis try to deny it happened.



If you haven't heard of it before now you must not be taking much notice of cinema, TV, literature, criminal cases, etc, because it is frequently mentioned in all these contexts. Do 'Schindler's List', 'Life is Beautiful', 'The Pianist', 'Oskar the Liar', or 'The Diary of Anne Frank' ring any bells?
DaveH
2008-08-31 02:07:35 UTC
YES - You ARE disturbed, very distrubed if you feel that the deaths of thousands upon thousands of British servicemen and civilians in World War 2 is only " worth a cursory mention" !!
Froget it Bexy!
2008-08-31 01:45:37 UTC
Britain was the place of refuge for many escaping the holocaust. It is part of UK history and heritage as a place of sanctuary.

I think home school is the best to educate children, if the parents can do it. It can make a children's education a better journey and more individual.

(Four hours later)

p.s. Sorry mate, but the more you open your mouth, the more VERBAL DIARRHOEA comes out, so stop now and consider what others have said as an answer.
anonymous
2008-08-31 01:42:33 UTC
You are really sad. Maybe you should do some research before you type up inane questions. The Holocaust happened. Period.



The point is not that they were Jewish or Russian or whatever. The point is that the Second World War is part of British history and the Holocaust is part of the war. All of the needless deaths that occurred are a tragedy and part of our shared history. The fact that similar genocides have occurred in Africa in the last few decades is reason enough to teach about past atrocities so that they will no be repeated.
anonymous
2008-08-31 03:50:17 UTC
I had an uncle who witnessed the atrocities committed by a faction of the German Army and to say the least had a profound impression on him for the rest of his life!

He just could not come to terms with the fact that one member of the civilised human race could perpetrate such a vile act upon another!
Katelyn341
2008-08-31 01:49:23 UTC
Yes, some people do dispute it happened, but they make up a TINY minority of idiots. It happened. It has been documented. I've been to Auschwitz and seen evidence of it. It's effects were felt throughout the world, not just continental europe and it's important that kids learn about it.
anonymous
2008-08-31 01:58:25 UTC
i started school in 1955 so, not long after the war, in my entire

school life our history lessons never ever mentioned WWI and WWII so i, and

my school mates had to read about it and educate ouselves out

of school. my kids today dont know who or what churchill was and

there are lots of other things wrong with the curriculum for instance,

ask kids today who oliver twist is and they will think you are round

the twist. i could go on and on but whats the point, nobody listens

and nobody seems to care. but it did happen and anyone

who says it didnt is a liar
anonymous
2008-08-31 01:58:16 UTC
The Jewish people weren't killed in war. They were exterminated, there is a huge difference between combatants, civilian bystanders and genocide.
anonymous
2008-08-31 02:04:32 UTC
It was the Battle of Senlac Hill,not Hastings.



Holocaust never happened? - It is someones right,to believe or not believe in any historic event,but your ignorance is NOT an excuse!
Eric H
2008-08-31 03:06:29 UTC
First of all, the only people disputing the Holocaust are Nazi apologists.



It happened.



One quarter of all of the Jews on Earth were murdered. That's significant.



If you don't understand why, then I can't help you.
Superdude
2008-08-31 01:45:39 UTC
I think it's highly likely that the Holocaust did happen, given the number of bodies found in treches.



There will always be conspiracy theories circulating that events in history haven't happened, or weren't as they seemed, e.g. Man on the Moon, JFK assassination, etc.
anonymous
2016-10-22 08:04:05 UTC
the full insanity of trench conflict in WW I nevertheless haunts historians today. whilst one side suffers fifty seven,000 casualties in one day because of the gadget-weapons because of the fact the troops moved out of their trenches into no-guy's land (the section between the trenches) something is incorrect. The e book All Quiet on the Western front could be a reliable source.
anonymous
2008-08-31 01:48:20 UTC
I was taught all these and was never taught about the British Empire.



I didnt even know we had one up until 5 years ago when i got my own PC & internet
anonymous
2008-08-31 02:33:03 UTC
You are a seriously ignorant person.
anonymous
2008-08-31 01:42:03 UTC
yes very disturbed.......just because you have not heard of these events does not mean they did not happen
anonymous
2008-08-31 02:08:43 UTC
You are one SAD individual
anonymous
2008-08-31 02:08:08 UTC
Go to Auschwitz and do some research. That's all I can suggest.



If you are not prepared to do that, then please stop trolling on here.
anonymous
2008-08-31 01:55:10 UTC
I'm really really hoping this question is a wind-up.
Rommel_Returns
2008-08-31 05:36:25 UTC
lies my friend LIES!! that's all our children are ever fed by this terrible labour party. god forbid that they ever become proud of their country or its history.


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