Question:
Is insurance a worse scam than Social Security?
Brad
2011-04-23 19:02:44 UTC
Insurance is a con. Worse than Social Security, even – because you pay in and (normally) never get anything back.

Consider: You pay say $800 a year to insure your car. Over a ten year period that comes to $8,000. Gone. Out the window. You’ll never see it again.

Think about this. Most people don’t have major accidents. Insurance companies know this – and bank on it. For every dollar they pay out (grudgingly and after much-ado, usually) they take in probably ten more. Insurance companies are hugely profitable enterprises. I won’t call them businesses, because businesses – properly described – provide a useful product or service. They also don’t force you to to be a “customer,” as insurance companies do, having successfully egged on their bought-and-paid for agents in state government (that is, politicians) to pass laws making insurance “coverage” mandatory.

It is no coincidence that the bankrupting of America has tracked parallel with the rise of FIRE (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate). When you add up car, life, health and home insurance, many people are spending $10,000 a year or more for …. nothing! They’ve been gulled into believing they’re “covered” but they’ll be disabused of that notion if they ever have to file a claim. Yes, the insurer might pay… something… eventually. But if it does, it will also double – or cancel – your premiums for future “coverage.” Ask anyone who has filed a major claim. Even after decades of just paying in. As soon as the math starts working out in favor of the insured – even a little bit – the terms of the relationship are swiftly altered to correct the imbalance.

Now let’s talk about car insurance specifically. It was made mandatory on the argument that it’s just not right to permit people to operate potentially lethal and always dangerous motor vehicles on public motorways without the driver having the means to compensate potential victims for any damages or injuries he might cause.

But that was just window dressing. The real motive was to create a coerced and captive “customer” base that had no choice but to pay up. Government-enforced cartels are secure from market pressure; they don’t have to worry about pleasing people – because the people have no choice. Oh, they can shop Tweedledee, perhaps. But he’s not much of an improvement over Tweedledum.

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I've long felt the same way about insurance (actually, I'm much more opposed to insurance than the author of this article is). Most people who purchase insurance are basically just throwing their money away. Basically, you would be better off if you took all the money you use to purchase insurance and stuffed it under your mattress (although that isn't a good idea because the Dollar's value is only heading down and I doubt it will ever increase in value again).

I agree that the rise of "finance" and real estate as major sectors of the economy has been disastrous. The entire "finance" industry is basically backed by the Federal Reserve's policy of endless inflation. The finance industry is a "good investment" during the artificial booms (fueled by the Fed), but when the inevitable crash hits, you will lose your money. Real estate was just a massive bubble which fraudulently sold consumption goods as "the best investment you can buy" (does this remind you of today's college advertising?) and got a bunch of suckers deep in debt to the banks.

Nobody my age (early 20s) who isn't wholly ignorant of reality (and yes, there are many people my age whom that description applies to) looks at Social Security as anything other than a Ponzi scheme that will transfer our wealth from us to our parents (who blew their wealth on real estate, insurance, and on dubious investments with the finance industry). Nobody under 30 will ever see a penny from Social Security (I doubt anybody under 40 will). One of these days, people will look back at the Obamacare debate and see how the Democrats compared that debacle to the even worse debacles of Social Security and Medicare (as if these were good things!) and be horrified that people actually held such views. Yet, the insurance industry is even worse than Social Security when it comes to cheating people out of their money for little or nothing in return. It is truly sad that people are willing to hand over their money (and other things much more valuable than money) for nothing more than (often empty) promises of "security."
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KevinM
2011-04-23 19:12:36 UTC
Like most people, you don't seem to have the slightest idea about the value of insurance. It most certainly is a good business, and if you've ever been sued for damages you'd understand that. Contrary to your statement they do NOT take in ten dollars for every dollar paid out in claims. They do make a profit, and they allow many Americans to reduce their risk by sharing risk over a larger pool of people. For example, Liberty Mutual had an underwriting profit of $0.006 for every dollar in premiums they received - a small fraction of a percent in profit:



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-16/liberty-mutual-profit-jumps-22-to-576-million-on-private-equity-rebound.html



Even under the most aggressive accounting, Liberty Mutual paid out $20B in claims, benefits, and expenses* on $30B in revenues (not including operating costs and amortization, which came to ~$9B). (A claim is what the insurance company pays you for; a benefit is like a free rental car while yours is being fixed; an expense is like the cost of lawyers and claims people to go out to a home site after an incident.) Most of the money for these expenses ends back in the policyholders' hands.



See page 36 of their annual report for details (page 38 of the PDF):

http://www.libertymutualgroup.com/omapps/ContentServer?c=cms_document&pagename=LMGroup%2Fcms_document%2FShowDoc&cid=1239994248881





Insurance is far better than Social Security - I seriously doubt that I'll ever see a penny of that money. And even those who receive their money in return only get a fraction of the value of the money they put into the system - years later and without interest.
anonymous
2015-08-07 20:37:47 UTC
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RE:

Is insurance a worse scam than Social Security?

Insurance is a con. Worse than Social Security, even – because you pay in and (normally) never get anything back.



Consider: You pay say $800 a year to insure your car. Over a ten year period that comes to $8,000. Gone. Out the window. You’ll never see it again.



Think about this. Most people...
Edward
2011-04-24 01:35:27 UTC
Actually, they're both about the same. Your argument is well taken, but let me make a couple of points...you mainly talked about car insurance, so let's go there first. I agree that most people will never be in a serious accident, but God forbid, if you are and your state doesn't have a fund that covers uninsured drivers. To put it mildly, you're up the creek without a paddle...lol...believe me, I knew a couple that this happened to and they lost everything they had, and all because they weren't insured. With Life insurance, yeah, you either need to die, or lose a limb to see any cash, and what good is that when you're dead ? You don't see a dime. You are providing for your loved ones in case of your demise. If you live to a ripe old age, you can get your money back in the form of monthly payments to supplement that little bit of Social Security that you're gonna get IF you're lucky. Let me say this about Social Security, I have paid into that system for 42 years so far and I fully expect to see benefits when I apply for them. Last I heard, our government took every cent to pay for a war, and replaced all that money, at least $2 billion dollars with an IOU, what nerve these politicians have, They're supposed to be looking out for our interests, hahahahaha, all they know how to do is line their pockets with our tax dollars. Lets hope SS stays solvent for at least the next 100 years or so, or , young man, you will be right about future benefits.
lenhart
2016-10-05 05:58:14 UTC
Insurance Is A Scam
anonymous
2016-03-22 21:44:22 UTC
You need to file an identity theft report all over the place. Youre state has a consumer fraud division that helps consumers with a variety of forms and issues. You know alot of parents abuse their childrens social security numbers making it hard later for the child to get good credit when they come of age. Let me ask you, why is this NOT A CRIME? This is not what social security is for. I think if you contact a lawyer or legal aid they can advise you on filing to do, I think you also need to notify the credit bureaus of the abuse at the time you discover it. Your parents do not have the right to USE Your social security number and then ruin you. You can also write to the mortgage companies and insurance companies and credit card companies and advise them that you are either a minor , or in fact did not know of the use of it. Im not sure police would make a report, they hardly take criminal reports anymore.. their too busy eating doughnuts .. but anyhow.. you need to get a credit report under your social security number SEE WHAT CREDIT IS LISTED AGAINST YOUR NAME.. and then if its BAD .. write to them and tell them its not you, if its good, that may not hurt you necessarily when you go to apply for your own credit cards later. But make a record of it at the time you find out , so if the person doesnt pay the bills you wont get stuck with their theft of your number. IF youre a kid you have legal recourse against the misuse by your parents.
anonymous
2011-04-23 19:49:46 UTC
What percentage of paid up life insurance never pays?
ani1
2014-03-06 12:58:39 UTC
Yes, it is a scam. They can defraud us but god forbid we should try to defraud an insurance company.
Jerkel
2014-01-07 13:38:07 UTC
Don't listen to kevinM, he's just another zombie/liar who trolls for insurance companies.
Newscomm
2015-06-30 13:28:13 UTC
Insurance is a parasite industry, those who work in that business are people who couldn't do real work. It's a parasite job, not a real job.
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2017-03-24 01:05:43 UTC
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RE :Is insurance a worse scam than Social Security?

Insurance is a con. Worse than Social Security, even – because you pay in and (normally) never get anything back.



Consider: You pay say $800 a year to insure your car. Over a ten year period that comes to $8,000. Gone. Out the window. You’ll never see it again.



Think about this. Most people don’t have major accidents. Insurance companies know this – and bank on it. For every dollar they pay out (grudgingly and after much-ado, usually) they take in probably ten more. Insurance companies are hugely profitable enterprises. I won’t call them businesses, because businesses – properly described – provide a useful product or service. They also don’t force you to to be a “customer,” as insurance companies do, having successfully egged on their bought-and-paid for agents in state government (that is, politicians) to pass laws making insurance “coverage” mandatory.



It is no coincidence that the bankrupting of America has tracked parallel with the rise of FIRE (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate). When you add up car, life, health and home insurance, many people are spending $10,000 a year or more for …. nothing! They’ve been gulled into believing they’re “covered” but they’ll be disabused of that notion if they ever have to file a claim. Yes, the insurer might pay… something… eventually. But if it does, it will also double – or cancel – your premiums for future “coverage.” Ask anyone who has filed a major claim. Even after decades of just paying in. As soon as the math starts working out in favor of the insured – even a little bit – the terms of the relationship are swiftly altered to correct the imbalance.



Now let’s talk about car insurance specifically. It was made mandatory on the argument that it’s just not right to permit people to operate potentially lethal and always dangerous motor vehicles on public motorways without the driver having the means to compensate potential victims for any damages or injuries he might cause.



But that was just window dressing. The real motive was to create a coerced and captive “customer” base that had no choice but to pay up. Government-enforced cartels are secure from market pressure; they don’t have to worry about pleasing people – because the people have no choice. Oh, they can shop Tweedledee, perhaps. But he’s not much of an improvement over Tweedledum.



read the rest: http://www.lewrockwell.com/peters-e/pete...



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I've long felt the same way about insurance (actually, I'm much more opposed to insurance than the author of this article is). Most people who purchase insurance are basically just throwing their money away. Basically, you would be better off if you took all the money you use to purchase insurance and stuffed it under your mattress (although that isn't a good idea because the Dollar's value is only heading down and I doubt it will ever increase in value again).



I agree that the rise of "finance" and real estate as major sectors of the economy has been disastrous. The entire "finance" industry is basically backed by the Federal Reserve's policy of endless inflation. The finance industry is a "good investment" during the artificial booms (fueled by the Fed), but when the inevitable crash hits, you will lose your money. Real estate was just a massive bubble which fraudulently sold consumption goods as "the best investment you can buy" (does this remind you of today's college advertising?) and got a bunch of suckers deep in debt to the banks.



Nobody my age (early 20s) who isn't wholly ignorant of reality (and yes, there are many people my age whom that description applies to) looks at Social Security as anything other than a Ponzi scheme that will transfer our wealth from us to our parents (who blew their wealth on real estate, insurance, and on dubious investments with the finance industry). Nobody under 30 will ever see a penny from Social Security (I doubt anybody under 40 will). One of these days, people will look back at the Obamacare debate and see how the Democrats compared that debacle to the even worse debacles of Social Security and Medicare (as if these were good things!) and be horrified that people actually held such views. Yet, the insurance industry is even worse than Social Security when it comes to cheating people out of their money for little or nothing in return. It is truly sad that people are willing to hand over their money (and other things much more valuable than money) for nothing more than (often empty) promises of "security."

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mr.b
2016-07-10 03:56:23 UTC
Years ago people used to unload their money into charity. Now that people are greedy they have to find ways around it.


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