What is your view of the BNP party in society, for example, in the police force?

Question

Following on from the leaked list of members I found out that "since 2004, police officers have faced dismissal if found to be members of the BNP."

At first I thought that this could be seen as a contravention of some basic human rights (expression and freedom from discrimination), however, on further research into BNP views I can see how that the views they hold could be seen to cause a personal conflict of interests of those serving in the police force etc.

You could then go on to argue those in positions such as the police have a duty to display idependence, objectivity etc.

Just wondered what the general views were? Should there be freedom of political views?

Answer 1

The day the BNP get in power will be the day that



1. Hell freezes over and

2. I will leave the country





People were fooled in Germany by a professional propagandist who became Chancellor, I would like the think it can't happen again.

Answer 2

I personally do not agree with a lot of what the British National Party stands for.To give you an illustration.To insinuate that all Black and Asian people are wicked or bad.now that cannot be right and there can be no justification for it.

By the same token denying a person the right to belong to a certain political party by his or her employers is also wrong and must be a denial of his Civil Rights.

As long as an employee does not enforce or indoctrinate his views on another person or influence any decisions that employee makes regarding performance in his or her duties.certainly raises issues.

Regarding the policeman from Liverpool.As soon as he is dismissed from his employment it will create a legal minefield and cause problems that will reverbarate well past the Houses of Parliament and finish up at the EU Court.

Answer 3

The public sector in Britain has always had constraints placed upon it's workers regarding some political views or activities.



All local government workers above certain grades are required to be politically neutral for the purposes of their work. This means there are hundreds of thousands of workers who could face dismissal for expressing a preference at work for ANY political party.



Within employment law, the tribunals have always allowed for the possibility that an employees actions or views in some activities (not just political), raise the potential for bringing the employer and their business into disrepute. A member of PETA working in a butchers for example. This means that the situation in which some BNP members now find themselves is by no means new or unique.

Answer 4

I'm not a member of the BNP and don't necessarily agree with some of their views, but they are a legitimate and legal political party and therefore people should be free to join without fear of discrimination or punitive action. Nobody gets penalised for holding radical left wing views or being members of far left parties. The BNP should be defeated by rational debate, not witch hunts and persecution of members.

Answer 5

The reason the Police can't be BNP Members is that they may have to give evidence in court against someone who is not of European origin.

The defence could use their BNP membership as a lever and taint the police officer's evidence which could allow a guilty person to go free.



Once the Police officer is in the polling booth he can vote for whoever he wants.



On a similar note, white police officers cannot be full members of the NBPA, an organisation "Against Racism" it seems the white heterosexual policeman or woman has very few rights!

Answer 6

I agree with the freedom to hold political views, but not when these interfere with the ability to do your job. Police officers, for example, must remain objective and treat everyone fairly. If a police officer was also a member of the BNP, this would interfere with their ability to do their job. So the answer to your question is - yes to freedom of expression, no to bigoted and racist individuals being members of the police force.

Answer 7

I think they should be allowed to belong to any LEGAL party they choose. In any case, banning membership of the BNP does not get rid of a person's views. There are probably lots of police officers who hold strong political views even if they choose not to voice them or join a particular party.



By the way, why is there a Black Police association to which black police officers can belong? Is that not racist and would a similar White Police Association be allowed? I think not!

Answer 8

The fact is that this is just another example of double standards and how if your white british you can be treated less equally than a muslim in this country.

It is a fact that we have muslim police officers who are devout to their religion and its beliefs, some of these are unbelievable to even comprehend a police officer living to.

And yet a white officer can not even make a free choice.

Their are muslim sections of the police force for members, can you imagine a white british officer trying to set up a 'white british officer group' OH MY GOD can you imagine the outcry!!!!!!!!!!

Come on people when are you all going to wake up, we have a section of people coming to this country and dictating their beliefs to us all.

God help us.

Answer 9

I think as long as you do your duty, you can generally think and believe what you like. When it comes down to it as long as you are not apart of something trying to hurt people or ultimately damage society.



As a black person i would not have a problem with dealing with someone from that political spectrum.



Finally i would just like to add that people are people and will always believe what they think is right, whether that is out in the open or behind closed doors..... You cant monitor what people think!

Answer 10

As far as the 'freedom' and 'human rights' arguments go, there is nothing wrong with the BNP. They have their rights and so do their members regardless of occupation.

As one person has already said is that political opinion should be left at home.



However, behind closed doors and when the camera's are off [or so they think], the BNP (as told by Panorama [BBC] and Dispatches [channel 4]) are a bunch of racial hatred preaching violent don't stereotype us skinhead scum bags. In English Law that translates to Terrorism (if you are asian and called ANP [Asian National Party]) but because they are white it is not terrorism and they [media and government] only make enough noise to keep the rest of us quite.



This is not about opinion this is about point blank racism so no BNP should not be allowed, let alone in the police force.

Answer 11

We are all human and should all therefore have the same rights including the police. As long as it doesn't affect the way you work. There was a question on here where a muslim lady refused to sell pork in the shop where she worked, so obviously she wasnt able to do the job she was paid to do. You have to be able to put aside your personal beliefs sometimes

Answer 12

If Left wing thinking persons can be in the Police force so then can members of the BNP. It is not an illegal organiztion as far as I know and until it is then a policeman's views should not be considered unless it can be proved that it interferes with his job. As for some of the wilder suggestion aired in some of the answers...well !

Answer 13

The freedoms of the individual end when the actions of that individual limit the freedoms of others. But that is of course main purpose of the BNP, so their positions are a clear contradiction to the duties and tasks of the police. No question, BNP guys must not be admitted into the police force.

Answer 14

As far as I'm aware, people in the police force as banned from joining the BNP because it contravenes the views that the police should have. In reality, the police force in the UK is riddled with racism so I'm not at all shocked that there are a lot of police on the list of BNP members.

There being a lot of far right british people on this site I'd expect a lot of people to reply to this saying the BNP are just pointing out that the immigrants in this country are making it horrendous... I am tired of arguing against these morons.

The BNP is an abhorrent 'political' party that spreads lies and encourages moronic people to be more moronic, more violent and feel like their views are ok. Which they are not.

Answer 15

Well, the previous Politically Correct view on this was that you could hold whatever views you liked in private; but you don't take them to work with you and should strive to be impartial. I think that policy was the best one can do, and we should return to it.

Answer 16

Well the police are actually not allowed to be a member of any political party, including labour and the tories. Of course its not a sackable offense to be in those parties. I believe that anyone in BNP cannot be allowed to be a police officer, imagine that officer having to give evidence against a black man whilst in the BNP, could that work?

Answer 17

The BNP are openly racist. If a policeman was a member of the BNP then they admit and subscribe to that racism. They seek to persecute whereas someone who believes that homosexuality is wrong for example doesn't necessarily mean they seek to persecute homosexuals. Generally I believe in people's rights to think and say what they want but to openly seek the removal of different peoples and races from society is wrong and that is the difference between the BNP and other parties. Therefore policemen couldn't ever serve those people who they seek to persecute. They should not be police officers

Answer 18

we have Islamic followers in the police force and their religion states that we are second class citizens....it also teaches that it is ok to take sexual pleasure from a child as long as you don't actually enter its body......do you want that! teaching your children! or treating your children in hospital?....seems to me there is a tide of double standards washing over this country through a government that is so corrupt! and infested with personal legalised extortion of public money that it has failed to keep its eye on the social ball. why don't the British public start to look to the real! enemy of Britain...new labour, and demand that they! be removed? the BNP didn't tell deliberate and calculated lies to enable them to illegally invade a Sovereign country and slaughter five hundred thousand innocent men women and little children......but the labour party did. the BNP didn't give your country away to a nazi style unaccountable federation for their own personal profit and political gain.....the labour party did. the first rule is know! your enemy.....the British National Party is not Britain's enemy. its the only party that wont! be bribed and payed off to give its country away.

Answer 19

Quite apart from the noxious racism and anti-semitism of the BNP there is the not so small matter of the criminality of many if not most of its activists. I don't think we want the police to associate with or to socialise with convicted criminals.



http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/BNP_a_party_of_convictions



http://www.thestar.co.uk/headlines/Criminal-past-of-BNP-man.4020597.jp



http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/bnp1.html#Criminal_records_and_extreme_or_violent

Answer 20

Can a Muslim police officer who thinks that homosexuality is wrong, help a gay assault victim ? Of course they can, you leave your political View at home and just get on with the job. The BNP are no different and the rules are unfair.

Answer 21

shame the BNP didn't get rid of that doctor for baby P

Answer 22

There is, indeed, a conflict of interests.

It could work either way.

eg a criminal who was of an ethnic minority could be acquitted because that 0fficer's testimony was considered skewed

Answer 23

They are a disgrace. If they are in the police force then they dont deserve to be in that job.

Answer 24

Should we then outlaw the Black police association because it is so obviously racist.

Answer 25

BNP sucks. It's just a white nationalist movement in disguise. Members should be castrated to stop this disease from spreading.